Here comes the bride...

I don't remember ever not knowing Catherine. By the time we started school, we'd already known each other for what felt like years (and probably was two or three). On our first day of school, we posed with Marilou (a friend who was a year ahead of us in school), proudly wearing the smocked dresses Catherine's mother had made and holding our dishpans full of school supplies. It was the first of many milestones we'd celebrate together.

There weren't many days of my childhood that I didn't see Catherine. On summer days I'd get up bright and early, eager to call her to play. My mother insisted I wait until the respectable time of 10 a.m. The hours seemed interminable - after all, summer was wasting away. With our other friends, we would often spend much of the day in Catherine's pool (where I learned to swim) and then set our towels up on the asphalt driveway while we dried off (sun safety was not on our list of priorities back then). When we weren't swimming, we were playing hide-and-seek, cockyolly (a variation of hide-and-seek) or soccer baseball.

During the winter, we'd spend hours outside until our woolen mittens were full of miniature snowballs and our feet were numb with cold. No matter the season, our parents' standard instructions were, "Go play outside." One Christmas, when both Catherine and I were young (probably pre-school), my parents bought a small Christmas tree for the basement and let Catherine and I decorate it. We covered it with construction paper chains and tinsel. Lots of tinsel. More tinsel than should ever grace the branches of a tree. It was almost completely silver when we were finished. And we thought it was beautiful.

We spent our share of time inside too - watching "the soaps" (much to my parents' chagrin) or game shows, or playing board games. And I'd occasionally go to Catherine's for sleepovers (where I would inevitably call my parents to pick me up before midnight, thus the "occasional" nature of the sleepovers).


But Catherine was more than a conveniently located playmate. She was a true friend. When I was in grade three, my first pet, a guinea pig named Goldie, died. My mom was looking after Catherine that day, so she was with us when it happened. I remember a tear running down my cheek and Catherine, without a word, pulled out her sticker book and gave me her orange-smelly Smurfette sticker (barely scratched and sniffed). I don't think Catherine even remembers that, but I always will.

When Catherine's family took off on a year-long European adventure the year I was 12, I wondered what I would do without her for a whole year. Much to my delight, the family came home after six months. Best. Gift. Ever.

While I fell out of touch with other friends, Catherine remained in my life. We went to movies together (where I  and other friends would beg her not to talk or ruin the ending), we talked endlessly about our favourite TV shows, we hung out, we told stories (Catherine's always been good at that) and we laughed - a lot.

High school came and went, university came and went and whether we went days or weeks without talking, we'd always pick up just where we left off.

Catherine has always been independent, has always lived life on her terms. She'd have been the first to tell you she'd never get married - she could never stand living with someone else for that long, wouldn't put up with anyone's crap. Then came Craig. When Catherine introduced him to us, we figured he must be somebody special. When he moved in, we wondered if he might even be the exception to her no-marriage-for-me rule. He "got" her. And she got him. And they loved each other for it. Catherine and Craig have many things in common - a love of food that could challenge the most devout foodie, a love of dogs (particularly their hounds Wallace and Harriet, who live a life that is the envy of many dogs), a love of camping (although this was an acquired taste for Catherine as far as we can tell) and a profound appreciation of naps (usually cuddled with a canine).

Today, Catherine and Craig exchange vows. Their wedding in Niagara Falls will be simple - just family and close friends (while I am not there in person I am absolutely there in heart). Catherine will proudly tell you she bought her wedding dress and shoes for less than $60 (together). I don't think she has spent a moment's stress on wedding planning, which is as it should be. Rather, she's focused on what matters - the fact that she and Craig "get" one another and love one another, today and for the rest of their lives. I couldn't wish for anything more for my lifelong friend. Catherine and Craig - I look forward to watching as you grow old together (not too quickly, you understand, as I'll be aging along with you).

Copy that.

Tuesday, June 18, 2013

9:30 a.m. – Begin making photocopies.

9:33 a.m. – Jam photocopier.

9:33 to 9:40 a.m. – Open and close random doors and drawers of photocopier, trying to make sense of useless diagram telling me where it’s jammed, while muttering angrily under my breath.

9:45 a.m. – Call photocopier company and request a service call (the sign on the copier specifically says don’t try to fix it yourself).

9:45 a.m. to 1 p.m. Do other work, eat lunch, etc.

1 p.m. – Pass by photocopier. It’s fixed! Try again to make copies.

1:01 p.m.– Jam photocopier.

1:01 to 1:02 p.m. – Half-heartedly open and close photocopier doors and drawers quickly, vow never to use photocopier again, then go back to my office. I’m not calling the service guy again. Too embarrassing. I’ll just leave it alone (apologies to the next user).

Wednesday, June 19, 2013

11:30 a.m. (after returning from morning meeting): On my chair are several mangled papers. Someone has found me out. They have removed my offending papers (which had my name on them) from the copier and left them for me.

11:35 a.m. Check voicemails. “This is Rob from Ricoh Photocopier Service calling. I can’t come by today to fix your photocopier today, but will come tomorrow. If you need to reach me, call me at (mumble, mumble) 460-36099 (eight digits?).” I listen to the message three times, and still can’t decipher the number.

11:38 a.m. Try calling 460-3609 (it’s as good a guess as any). Voicemail answers: “Hi. This is Drew.” Ooops. Wrong number. Hang up.

11:40 a.m. Cory, my co-worker, says, “Oh by the way, the photocopier guy was looking for you this morning.”

Me: He was? This morning?

Cory: Yes.

Me: Ohhhh…he must have left that message yesterday, not today.

Cory: Maybe. By the way, I fixed the photocopier.

Me: YOU fixed the photocopier?

Cory: Yeah. I went to use it and it was jammed so I looked in all the doors and pulled out the jammed paper. I saw your name on it and figured you might want it, so put it on your chair.

Me: Oops. I guess the photocopier guy came for nothing. (PS How did Cory find the papers when I couldn't?)

11:45 a.m. Phone rings. It’s 460-3609. “Ah, photocopier guy!” I think, recognizing the number. I pick up the receiver and don’t even bother with the usual formalities:

Me: “Hi. I’m really sorry. I requested a service call yesterday because the photocopier was broken but now it’s fixed so you don’t need to come anymore. I’m sorry for the confusion.”

Voice on other end of phone: “Who is this?”

Me: “It’s Margaret Angus. You’re the Ricoh photocopier service guy, right?”

Voice: “No. You called my number.”

Me: “Oh right! Sorry! I was trying to reach the photocopier guy and he left me a voicemail but he mumbled the number and I couldn’t make it out but it sounded kind of like this number. But obviously it wasn’t, and you’re not the photocopier guy and I’m really sorry. I’m going to let you get on with your day now.”

Voice, laughing: “OK.”

11:55 a.m. (notice red light flashing on phone, indicating another voicemail. Was it there this whole time?) “Hi. This is Rob from Ricoh Photocopier Service. I came and fixed your photocopier. The stapling feature wasn’t working so I cleaned that out and now it doesn’t seem to be a problem.”

11:56 a.m. I knew that photocopier was broken.

12 Life Lessons I Learned from Italians

All experiences teach us something; sometimes, if we're lucky, they teach us many things. My trip to Italy reminded me of some important life lessons:

1. Do what you love. The world needs your passion, and will respond in kind.
2. Good coffee is an art. Appreciate its subtleties and richness, and take it in slowly.
3. Good food is real food; keep it simple. When preparing a meal, use ancient grains, olive oil (lots of it), spices, cheese, wine, and love. Don’t underestimate the last ingredient – it lends the strongest flavour.
4. Eat in the company of people you enjoy. Take your time. Talk to one another. Share stories. Laugh.
5. Be kind to animals and children. They – and you – will be better for it.
6. Embrace more, and kiss on both cheeks.
7. Celebrate holidays and take at least a day off on either side.
8. Take a nice long break in the afternoon. Everything else will wait.
9. Don’t worry if you can’t speak the same language. A smile, a nod and a thumbs up will do nicely.
10. Life is meant to be enjoyed. Let go of the rush and enjoy the moment – it won’t come again.
11. Appreciate art and artists. 
12. Give love, accept love, express love, knowing that in the end, it is all that matters.

Florence and Farewell (Letter # 16 from Italy: May 2 and 3, 2013)

Day 1 in Florence is a bit of a blur. After a fitful night’s sleep, I catch the 6:39 a.m. train from Pieve San Lorenzo to Florence, arriving mid-morning. My first stop is for coffee and a pastry (this has become our usual mid-morning ritual, and although Judith blessedly got up early to make me coffee before I hit the road – or the tracks as it were – I’m ready for a fresh hit). I go into the first café I see, and order a café latte and an apricot tart. We’ve become so spoiled by the prices of coffee and pastry (3 or 4 Euros usually gets both) that I am more than a bit surprised when the man behind the counter tells me I owe him 7 Euros (this is my first hint at Florence's elevated prices).

I’m unable to check into the hotel for a couple of hours, so leave my backpack there and begin wandering the city with Rick Steves’ Florence and Tuscany in hand (opened to the map of Florence). I stop at the Santa Maria de Novella Cathedral (literally packed with people – a shock after several days in the open Italian countryside!) and then continue roaming. 

My lack of sleep is catching up with me, and while I intend to walk to a couple of specific destinations, I keep finding myself falling off the map (which I blame on Florence and not any navigational failing on my part). When I stop to ask a girl in a shop where exactly I am, she points to the air above the map, and directs me back to the centre of the city. I manage to find my way to the Uffizi Gallery, where I’ve booked a ticket for 3:15 p.m.

As Rick’s book advised, I reserved my ticket in advance, saving myself the hours-long lineup outside the gallery (instead waiting 20 minutes or so to get in). There are hundreds of people in the Uffizi and it is hot (I am guessing more than 30 degrees with all of the body heat). I wander through room after room of paintings, including those by Botticelli. Many of the paintings, not surprisingly, depict Madonna and child, or other religious themes. While they are stunning, I am tired and hot, and desperately need a nap. I find myself thinking, “You should be enjoying this more,” and then cut myself some slack. I’ve seen the highlights of the gallery, and now need to lie down.  

I head back to the hotel – the Soggiorno Anna Maria (recommended by Rick), and fall onto the bed. I open the window to let in fresh air, which amplifies the sound of a street musician playing what I guess to be a saxophone. He knows only one tune (or at least plays only one over and over). His audience is clearly the passersby and not those standing still (or lying down in my case). In spite of that, I manage to doze for an hour, at which point I grab a shower and head down the street to the Trattoria Katti (owned by the same people who run this hotel).

I sit at a table outside and enjoy the 20-degree evening. T-bone steak is listed under their specialties, so I decide to order it. It is listed in grams rather than the ounces that I’m used to, so I have no idea how much I’m ordering. The minimum order is 500 grams, so I go with that. As it turns out, that is a lot of meat (a pound, Judith tells me later). Separately, I also order roasted potatoes and grilled vegetables, figuring I’ll have a balanced meal. I am slightly embarrassed when the waitress delivers my pound of steak, a bowl of potatoes and a platter of grilled vegetables.

The couple at the table to my left is American – from Florida. We start to chat and soon the couple to the right of me joins in the conversation. Bob and Betty are from Calgary and have just arrived in Florence after having been in Venice. While they are over 80, they still travel lots and are planning to rent a car tomorrow (Bob says they can only rent cars in certain cities because others have an age limit, which he exceeds). Their travels have taken them on many adventures, and he recommends several destinations, including Galway, Irelend, where I must apparently have fish and chips (noted). About an hour before they actually leave, Betty says they should get back to their hotel. They then proceed to have a coffee and a limoncella and tell us more stories – about their trips to California to visit their daughter, about the vacations they took with Bob’s brother (who has recently died) and his wife. They finally make their way back to the hotel, as do the couple from Florida (whose names I didn’t get), who have an early morning tomorrow to get back to the US. I head back to the hotel and remember little else before falling fast asleep.

The next morning I am well rested and Florence appears much friendlier and easier to navigate than it did yesterday (it also helps that the sun is shining; yesterday it rained). After a continental breakfast at the hotel, I wander to the Ponte Vecchio and wander along the water, watching kayakers making their way under the bridge. 

I stop in a little art shop and buy a piece of mosaic art depicting the Tuscan countryside, and continue walking. The streets are filled with vendors, many of whom are selling the same things – leather goods, of course, and the usual souvenirs.

I have a date at the Accademia at 11 a.m. David awaits. Seventeen feet tall with features perfectly chiseled (literally), he is even more magnificent than I could have imagined. His muscles and tendons are so exquisitely crafted that I half expect to see his hand lift the rock within it, or his chest move in and out. Michelangelo was 26 when he started David, 29 when he finished the masterpiece made of Carrara marble (taken from the Garfagnana region of Italy where we are staying). It is difficult to imagine such a gift, such drive to create perfection. I stare for several minutes before moving on to look at the rest of the gallery (which holds only minimal interest when compared to David, the exceptions being Michelangelo’s other sculptures, several unfinished).

I return to David and circle the statue again, then stand still looking directly at his gaze. Visitors are not allowed to take photos, and even if you were, they would not come close to capturing his magic. On my way out, I consider buying a postcard, but they are flat. I return to take one last look at David so my last memory is of the real thing, not a dim reflection on paper.

I head back to Trattoria Katti for lunch (lasagna followed by panna cotta with strawberries and coffee) and then realize I am ready to head home to Pieve San Lorenzo. I catch the next train.

I return home to find Judith cooking supper – ravioli, sautéed tomatoes and other vegetables and a Greek salad. She has invited Francesca and Paolo for supper, even picking up ingredients from the store (thin layers of pre-made cake, cream, Nutella and strawberries) to make a cake to celebrate Paolo’s birthday, which is tomorrow. We enjoy a lovely dinner with Francesca and Paolo, and sing Happy Birthday to Paolo (in English) as we bring out the cake. 

We invite Paola (who owns the apartment and is next door) to come and join us for cake, and we all enjoy the delicious combination of coffee, hazelnut chocolate and strawberries as we talk about everything from the Romans to travel to American TV (ER, Dallas and General Hospital are among the shows that have been dubbed in Italian). Francesca promises to come to Nova Scotia to visit (and wants to see Prince Edward Island), and vows she will come in February (I strongly recommend against this and suggest spring, summer or fall are better alternatives. She says she will not come in the summer, so we will try to convince her of fall. We cannot in good conscience let her pay money to visit the Maritimes in February).

Our guests leave about 9, as we have an early morning; we will catch the 6 a.m. train. Francesca says she will be there at 5:45 to take us to the train station and we tell her no, we will walk (it is only five minutes). She agrees but says we must call her if we need a lift.

We are up at 5 a.m. to grab a quick breakfast (the usual bread, cheese and coffee) and are out the door at 5:45. Francesca is outside waiting for us. “You came!” we say, delighted, although feeling bad that she has gotten up so early on our account. “This is no problem,” she assures us. “I wake up early.” She takes us to the train station, where Judith buys us a round of coffee/cappuccino. Our train pulls up at 6 a.m. and we say goodbye to Francesca, our new friend, with the Italian embrace and kiss on both cheeks. We promise to stay in touch, and we will.

And with that, we are off. Grazie, Francesca. Grazie, Pieve San Lorenzo. Grazie, Italia. I will be back.

An afternoon at Silvia and Carlo's (Letter #15 from Italy: May 1, 2013)

The sun is shining, so we drink our coffee on the terrace (one of my favourite Italian pastimes). We see Paola below. She is waving an Italian/English dictionary in her hand and gesturing for me to come down and meet her at the door, which I do. She points to the word “scrivere,” which means “to write,” then points to the Italian word for “book” and then to “bambino” (children). Francesca has told her we are writers. I say, “Si,” then look up the word for “publish” and say “Judith, si. Me, no. Not yet.” She nods. “Nome?” she asks. “Names?” I confirm. “Si.” She hands me her pen and points to the inside of her dictionary. “You want me to write our names?” I ask. “Si,” she says. I do, and she asks me to confirm which of us is which. “I am Margaret. Judith upstairs,” I say, pointing. “Grazie,” she says, and is off, likely to google us. I hope she is not disappointed!

Today we will walk back to Francesca’s, which Francesca and our new Italian friends told us would take about 30 minutes (2.5 kilometres). We suggested it might be wise to allow extra time for us to get lost. “It is not possible to get lost,” said Francesca, and Rosita and Maria agreed. They do not know us well.

We set out from Pieve San Lorenzo at 10:45. Our instructions are simple: Cross the bridge, go right, go straight. We follow them to the letter (we tried to pay attention on the drive home last night, but it was dark. I do recall there being a turn at one point, but recollect little of the specifics and figure it will be obvious to us). The walk is uphill all the way, with many twists and turns. It’s a beautiful day – mid 20s with a slight breeze – so good for walking. After 45 minutes, however, we begin to question the Italians’ sense of distance and time, as there is no indication we are near our destination. At each curve in the road, I am hopeful. Judith is more pragmatic. By the time we’ve been walking an hour, we Francesca texts us: “You lost?” We call her and tell her where we are. “Oh, you are far away,” she says. “Stay there. I will pick you up.”

While we wait, I talk to the goats and sheep in a nearby field. 

Within a few minutes, Francesca pulls up. She is laughing. “I cannot believe you got lost!” she says. She explains that we failed to veer left upon leaving the village (we went straight instead, as we thought we were supposed to) and so took an extended route up the mountain. No worries; we are back on track now.

We stop at Francesca and Paolo’s for a drink of water. While we’re there, Judith also waters Francesca’s pansies, some of which are drooping sadly. Later, Judith tells Silvia and Carlo that the plants were dying. Francesca protests: “They were not dying. They were relaxing!”

Francesca, Paolo, Judith and I spend the afternoon at Carlo and Silvia’s farm just a few minutes away. They have prepared a magnificent spread on a long table in their outdoor “living room,” which overlooks their olive grove and gardens, and has a spectacular view of the mountains. We are treated to bread, salami, cheese, wine, a dish similar to risotto but made with spelt (an ancient grain – 2,000 years old, which they grow here on their farm),pastry with spinach, and foccaccia, also made with spelt.

We are surrounded by Carlo and Silvia’s many animals (dogs, cats and hens wander the yard); it is wonderful.

I also get a chance to meet Italo, one of their two donkeys (Francesca tells us that Silvia’s mother was none too pleased when they named the donkey “Italo,” which was her father’s name). Judith asks why they have donkeys. “I like them,” says Silvia, which is surely the best reason of all. Also, she says, whenever anyone comes to the house, the donkeys sound their characteristic “hee haw,” making them more reliable than any alarm system. I ask Silvia if the donkeys are friendly; she says they are. I later approach the fence and Italo comes to greet me (much like a dog would, I can't help but thinking). I scratch his forehead and face and say, “That’s a good donkey!”

We finish the afternoon with coffee, followed by a tour of the nearby homes that Silvia and Carlo rent out to lucky vacationers.

Paolo offers to drive us home, but we insist on walking. Francesca walks with us for the first few minutes to ensure we’re headed in the right direction. We have a leisurely walk home (downhill), and even with several stops to pat horses and take pictures of scenery, we are back in Pieve San Lorenzo in 40 minutes.

Although the clock says it’s suppertime, neither of us can imagine eating for some time yet (those who know me will know how rarely I am in this state). I am full – in belly and in heart.

Dinner at Francesca and Paolo's (Letter #14 from Italy: April 30, 2013)

Francesca has been hospitable to us beyond all expectations.  Tonight she has invited us to dinner with her and her husband, Paolo, and has even come to pick us up and take us to their place. On the way, we stop at her brother- and sister-in-law’s farm (Carlo and Silvia - they’re not actually related but that’s how they refer to one another) to say hello, see their beautiful gardens and meet their many animals (four dogs, a few cats, at least two hens and two donkeys. Francesca says if an animal needs a home, Carlo and Sylvia will take it in. I like them already).

They show us around, and Carlo apologizes for the length of the lawn (I hadn’t noticed). “It’s a huge job mowing a lawn this big,” says Judith. “It’s a ri-di-cu-lous job,” agrees Carlo. “I just finish the lawn and I have to start again!” They show us around their beautiful gardens – peonies, lilacs (a pinker shade than we have in Nova Scotia), lavender, rosemary, and much more. Francesca tells us it’s because of Carlo and Silvia that she and Paolo bought a place nearby (without the yard and garden. Too much work. They visit Carlo and Silvia when they want a garden). Our visit is quick, but we plan to come back tomorrow for coffee and/or wine. I’m looking forward to it already.

Francesca and Paolo’s place is just around the corner; they live within a large stone structure that used to be the estate of a wealthy landowner. Today the building is split into 14 units. Francesca and Paolo live in one flat and doing extensive renovations on the flat above. Eventually, they will move into the upstairs flat and rent the lower one (Francesca says the upstairs flat will be ready in a month – an ambitious timeline – because they are expecting guests).

We start out with bread, wine and several varieties of cheese, two of which are sheep’s cheese. All are delicious. Then Francesca serves risotto with asparagus and olive oil (also wonderful) and a blend of sautéed vegetables. Francesca mixes water and wine – she says it is a Venetian custom that horrifies other Italians. I try it – and like it.

Judith happens to notice Francesca’s toaster – stainless steel with removable grills for toasting (similar to a setup I’ve seen used for camping). Francesca says a friend of hers gave it to her when she worked in the music business. Have we heard of Sharday? It turns out Francesca worked for an Italian record company for several years, and met several big stars (she tells us the story of the time she made pasta for Mick Jagger and was too nervous to eat it herself).

Francesca is expecting other guests shortly – a few locals who stop by for an hour once a week to learn and practice English. Tonight we’re joined by Rosita and Maria. Rosita brings lemon pie (torta limone); she is a magnificent baker and I tell her so (and just in case she doesn’t understand my English or there’s any room for misinterpretation, I eat two pieces). Throughout the evening’s conversation, when words fail to get the point across (either in Italian or English), we resort to gestures and sound effects (like the honking of a car horn and the meowing of a cat).

Because Rosita and Maria live in Pieve San Lorenzo, they generously offer to drive us home. Although both are relative beginners in speaking English, Maria is more confident. On the way to the car, I tell them I am trying to learn a few words in Italian. “How do you find the grammar?” asks Maria, genuinely interested. “Oh, I haven’t gotten to any grammar yet,” I say. “I only use nouns.”

While Maria lives in the community before ours, Rosita tells her she’s coming with her to drop us off. “You’re my translator!” she says to Maria, slightly panicked. We all laugh. We say goodnight/goodbye/thank you in a mix of English and Italian, and Judith and I head inside; it's been another full day in Italia.

Wildlife, coffee, picnicking and Gino (Letter #13 from Italy: April 30, 2013)

It’s day two with the car, and once again I’m in the navigator’s seat. I am becoming slightly more comfortable with the role, although cautious of becoming too cocky (Judith says I deserve a navigator’s badge, and I have to tell you, the thought of it has started to go to my head).

With a few brief wrong turns, we make it to our intended destinations largely unscathed (it helps that neither of us is bothered if we happen to get on the “wrong” road. We’ve seen some amazing things by taking routes we didn’t plan on taking – today that included a baby sheep eating from her mother).

Our first destination is Orichiella (Or-ick-ee-ella), a nature reserve. We head up, up, up an old, winding road (all of the roads around here appear to be winding; this one is old and not as well kept as the others we’ve driven). When we reach the top, we get out to wander around. It would appear there’s not much happening; we suspect we’ve arrived just before the beginning of the official season, so the information centre is closed.We do manage to see a few deer (in an enclosed area). 

And as we wander an open area of the park, we also come across several large, fresh piles of animal waste, and see that the ground has been torn up in several places by an animal. From what we know of the wildlife that inhabit this area, we think these may be the evidence of wild boars (cinghialle, who dig up the ground in search of truffles). We are content to make it back to the car without actually seeing any face to face.

We also spot another rare breed – a coffee shop in the mountains that is actually open. It is almost lunchtime, but we opt instead for coffee and chocolate and pear pie (divine). Lunch will wait.

We spend the next couple of hours driving the rural roads of Tuscany, stopping along the way for photo stops (although we know they will not do the mountaintop view justice), a picnic lunch (we packed fresh bread, cheese, olives and fruit before we left this morning) and a walk around the town of Castiglione.

Our last stop is Castel Nuevo, where we return the car. We call Gino, the Scottish/Italian who arranged our car rental, and he meets us at the train station so we can follow him back to the shop. From there, he drives us back to the station. Tomorrow (May 1) will be a rare holiday for Gino. He will spend it with his family (his kids are 5 and 7). 

We are grateful for Gino’s kindness, and tell him so as he pulls up to the station and helps us get our bags out of the trunk. He says he always tries to do these things for people because he’d like to think someone would do it for him if the roles were reversed. “It’s just the way it should be,” he says. That it should. I ask him if we can take his picture, and he agrees, although insists he’s not photogenic and won’t look at the camera. In the picture, he is clearly uncomfortable. Part of me feels I shouldn’t have asked, and another part feels the photo captures him perfectly as he is. Grazie, Gino.